@Sanchy and @stuckinarut2: the whole thing comes crumbling down when you start thinking outside of the blinders WT puts on us. I had so many face palm moments when I woke up and realized how conditioned I had been to not even think logically over basic biblical texts. Yet, the whole time I was indoctrinated, I was CONVINCED we had logical and sound reasoning. Upon closer examination, I realize what a certified lunatic I was for buying into such faulty defenses for the Pentateuch.
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The bizarreness of Genesis 6:2
by doubtfull1799 in"the sons of the true god began to notice that the daughters of men were beautiful.
so they began taking as wives all whom they chose.".
it may be feasible to some to accept the bible's assertion that the first humans were tempted to pursue independence from god, especially since they were created in his image and he is independent from any authority.
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Truth and Honesty? Why is it only a one-way street??
by stuckinarut2 inthe society, "gods channel" teach and expect truth and honesty from all witnesses.
scripures are often quoted to promote such.. but, why is it only a one way street?
why is the society not truthful and honest with witnesses?
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@Ding I ALWAYS think of The Emperor's New Clothes when I'm suckered into buying another high end makeup product even when I can't see the difference it's making on my skin. I stare at my reflection in the department store's mirror and feel foolish when the clerk tells me "how big a difference" she can see in my complexion. Not wanting to be "missing something", I quickly drop another hundred dollars and walk out with yet another product with "invisible" results. Wtf? Maybe a key product ingredient is parousia. Lol.
I can see how it applies to WT's stark naked lies! Out of the mouth of babes, we apostates call BS for what it is. I once heard that there are only two types of people in the world who are unapologetically candid: children... and drunks.
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Truth and Honesty? Why is it only a one-way street??
by stuckinarut2 inthe society, "gods channel" teach and expect truth and honesty from all witnesses.
scripures are often quoted to promote such.. but, why is it only a one way street?
why is the society not truthful and honest with witnesses?
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It's all very intellectually dishonest and downright disingenuous of them to not address the glaring hypocrisy and holes in their own doctrine when they just LOVE shining a spotlight on their householder's religion when preaching.
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"...You will be Disfellowshipped for 7 years"
by HereIgo inshortly before i left the "troof" a co had given a talk during his visit.
at the time there was a scandal going on in the congregation where 2 couples basically swapped spouses with each other.
it was quite the scandal.
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@stillin The CO's wife be like: "Potiphar's wife is my homegirrrrllll."
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Truth and Honesty? Why is it only a one-way street??
by stuckinarut2 inthe society, "gods channel" teach and expect truth and honesty from all witnesses.
scripures are often quoted to promote such.. but, why is it only a one way street?
why is the society not truthful and honest with witnesses?
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@Ding - blame Toto! I've never heard that parallel before. All I've heard is the seven old men flailing about behind the curtain analogy. But the blaming of "apostates" likened to Toto is a whole new level of comparison. Yes! Bad doggy. Now let's put that apostate down like the diseased dog it is.
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The bizarreness of Genesis 6:2
by doubtfull1799 in"the sons of the true god began to notice that the daughters of men were beautiful.
so they began taking as wives all whom they chose.".
it may be feasible to some to accept the bible's assertion that the first humans were tempted to pursue independence from god, especially since they were created in his image and he is independent from any authority.
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@doubtfull1799 JW's use their literature to explain that Jehovah, like a stubborn teacher, handed over his piece of chalk to the rebel in the classroom (Satan) and is allowing Satan to prove to everyone that he can't run the classroom smoothly. That's why the world is in such a state. For this theory to be upheld, the Witnesses need to argue that the teacher occasionally interjects and takes the chalk back from the rebel and kills off a bunch of students at will (the flood). Is the world lying in the power of the Wicked One? According to doctrine: sometimes. Depends what mood the creator of the cosmos is in.
If Jehovah is lovingly holding off Armageddon because destroying Adam and Eve would have given all the angels in heaven serious doubts about his sovereignty, then why stage an early form of Armageddon to cleanse the earth of wickedness back in Noah's day? What good was achieved? Did it really cleanse the earth of wickedness? Is the world's state of affairs better now because of the supposed flood? Seems like a lot of melodrama and killing of innocent bystanders for nothing. But hey, nice prelude for the gory Armageddon to come.
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BBC Medical soap features JWs and blood.
by scotsman intonight's episode of holby city on bbc 1 starts a jw narrative that explores family estrangement and the blood issue.
the outcome is explored again in a couple of weeks and is pretty favourable to the jws..
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Whaaaattt??? A favorable segment on the BBC about Jehovah's Witnesses? When the media speaks the truth and exposes the organization's true reputation, it's "Satan's media" (Tony Morris). But when the media paints a quaint picture and puts the society in a nice light, it's quickly snapped up as Watchtower's PR tool.
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"We dont mourn the dead"
by HereIgo ini remember a brother making the above statement in regards to an elderly sister who had passed.
he stated we don't mourn or even visit grave sites because we have a hope that jah will resurrect the dead.
it seemed really creepy at the time, hell, even jesus wept when lazarus died.
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My father would scoff those in "Christendom" and say, "look at they way they cry when loved ones die. They claim they that their loved ones are in heaven - so why cry?!" The insensitivity and lack of human feeling is real among the Witnesses.
Paul Grundy told me that Witnesses don't celebrate birthdays because "better the day of one's death." Right? "So why does the funeral outline specifically state that you can't even eulogize the deceased?" he mused.
Witnesses are left with nothing. No celebration of life. No celebration of death. Just more opportunities to spew out cult propaganda that hijacks the grieving process. Shame.
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Do WT Publications Make Us Feel Unworthy, Unlovable and Helpless?
by jp1692 init is my contention that the wtbts, (as do all high-control, authoritarian cults), deliberately cultivates dysfunctional beliefs among its members.
in particular, the most destructive of these beliefs are those that undermine one's feelings of self-worth.
for a research project i am doing, i am looking for direct quotes from wt publications that seem to be specifically designed to manipulate the readers into feeling: unworthy, unlovable, inadequate and/or helpless.
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The whole notion of Christianity is to accept that you are a slave. Born diseased and imperfect with an incurable condition that only Christianity can restore. It's like we've been sold this faulty product (life, according to JW teachings) and need to constantly go back to the religion for repairs forever. There's a word for people who sell you something dud so that you'll be dependent on their services for the rest of your lives: it's called a con artist. A scammer.
Even the Return to Jehovah booklet targeting those who have left the organization is riddled with six or so reasons for why anyone would have left - all of which are degrading and blame the person who has left for their "imperfect" attitudes. Not one of those reasons stated in the brochure include "Perhaps You've Grown Tired of Being Lied to". That would have made a good chapter.
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Truth and Honesty? Why is it only a one-way street??
by stuckinarut2 inthe society, "gods channel" teach and expect truth and honesty from all witnesses.
scripures are often quoted to promote such.. but, why is it only a one way street?
why is the society not truthful and honest with witnesses?
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@punkofnice There's no WAY that friend of mine will even look at old literature from the society for the fear and paranoia WT as instilled upon her that "old literature gets doctored all the time by apostates". The society really has its bases covered. Disgusting liars.